Tankie druid frost badge gear

[Xillian]

So Animal's closing in on the 60 badges needed for my first piece of 264 gear. Since it will probably be a long time before he sees much of ICC I've got to make it count. Right now I'd say I probably do 75% tanking in heroics 25% heal. My limited real 10 man experience is about 60/40 tank/heal. For fun I feral dps though every chance I get. I'd probably say my tank set is my best set atm. So I'm wondering about the 2 possible cloaks to choose from. Don't have the ability to link them from work but one is really a dps cloak with like 90agi/90sta and a blue gem slot and the other is like 50str/125stam with yellow gem. Of course the real tank cloak has 40ish dodge and some *almost worthless* defense. I'm wondering how close they really are though to a druid. Druids get decent dodge from agi, plus armor, plus crit which = that druid shield. I'd gem it with 30stam so the total hp gained would be a minimal difference I believe. What I don't know is if bears get any AP from str. The dps cloak has raw AP on it but what I'd like to see is a side by side comparison from a feral tank's shoes while remembering that a 264 cloak would be good enough to also equip as part of my feral dps set, even gemmed with 30 sta. Anyone want to tackle this?

[Xillian]

Ok found the stats

True tankie cloak:
Senteniels winter cloak
737 armor
90 str
136 sta
48 def
48 dodge (1.22% at 80)

Then my possible alternate:
Recovered scarlet onslaught cape
177 armor
90 agi
90 sta
60 crit
105 AP
52 armpen

So my questions are:

1. does the bear form armor multiplier apply to cloaks? 360% iirc also, what is agi/armor conversion for druids

2. bears get 2ap/1 str correct? that'd be 180 ap vs 105 ap assuming bears get no ap from agi

3. what is dodge/agi conversion for bears?

4. is there an internal cd for that savage defence shield caused by crit? So what is the maximum effective crit rate for bears before it no longer helps

[Bobatroll]

This link, from Elitist Jerks, shows the various equivalencies for druids. The title says it was written for 3.2.2, but there are some replies later on that state the numbers didn't change for 3.3.
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-fera ... d_3_2_2_a/

If you're still at work and can't get to EJ...

Feral Druid Numbers (updated for 3.2.2)
I've been repeatedly coming back to threads here & on Wowwiki looking for these and figured it would be useful to more than just myself to have them consolidated in one post.

All of these are for Level 80 Feral with HotW, SotF & Imp.MotW talents. Numbers in (brackets) are with Blessing of Kings :-


Strength
1 Str = 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP) (Cat)
1 Str = 2.1624 AP (2.37864 AP) (Bear)
1 Str = 2.292144 AP (2.5213584 AP) (Bear with PotP)


Agility

1 Agi = 1.18932 AP (1.308252 AP) (Cat only)
1 Agi = 0.0129744% (0.01427184%) Crit
1 Agi = 0.0225641% (0.0248206%) Dodge
1 Agi = 2.1624 (2.37864) Armor

77.075 (70.068) Agi = 1% Crit
44.318 (40.289)Agi = 1% Dodge


Stamina
1 Sta = 10.812 (11.8932) Health (Cat)
1 Sta = 14.8665 (16.35315) Health (Bear)


Intellect
1 Int = 19.4616 (21.40776) Mana
1 Int = 0.00778464% (0.0085631%) SpellCrit

125.458 (116.780) Int = 1% SpellCrit

Intellect also increases the amount of health & mana regen you get from Spirit - not very important for ferals


Spirit
Spirit increases your out of combat health regen and your out of 5sec rule mana regen - not very important for ferals


Crit Rating
1 CritRating = 0.022% Crit
45.91 CritRating = 1% Crit


Dodge Rating
1 DodgeRating = 0.0220982% Dodge
45.2525 DodgeRating = 1% Dodge


Haste Rating
1 HasteRating = 0.03965% Haste
25.223 HasteRating = 1% Haste


Hit Rating
1 HitRating = 0.030% Hit
32.79 HitRating = 1% Hit

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5% Hit = 163.95 HitRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5% Hit = 180.34 HitRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6% Hit = 196.74 HitRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 8% Hit = 262.32 HitRating (Raid Bosses)


Expertise Rating
1 ExpertiseRating = 0.0305% reduction in dodge & parry chance
32.79 ExpertiseRating = 1% reduction in dodge & parry chance

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 163.95 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 180.345 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 196.74 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 6.5%(Dodge) / 15%(Parry) = 213.135 / 491.85 ExpertiseRating (Raid Bosses)

The 10 Expertise we get from Primal Precision is equivalent to 81.975 ExpertiseRating so subtract that from the above figures if you have that talent.


Defense Rating
1 DefenseRating = 0.008% dodge and 0.008% chance to be missed and 0.008% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )
122.96 Defense Rating = 1% chance to dodge and 1% chance to be missed and 1% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )

1 DefRating = 0.64 DodgeRating (counting misses as dodges)


ArmorPenetration Rating
1 ArPenRating = 0.07145% ArmorPenetration
13.9957272 ArPenRating = 1% Armor Penetration

ArPen cap (100%) = 1400 ArPen


Resilience
94.27125 Resilience = -1% chance to be crit, -2.2% crit damage, -1% all damage & -2.2% mana drain reduction

1414.06872 Resilience = 33% reduction from crit damage = the cap for this part of resilience's effect


Regualar (white) Armor
Includes non-bonus armor from all slots except rings, trinkets, neck & weapon. All armor from rings, trinkets, neck & weapon as well as armor patchs & any bonus (green) armor on items & armor from Agi receive no bonus from SotF, Thick Hide or the metagem

1 Armor = 6.251 Armor (Bear)
1 Armor = 6.8761 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide)
1 Armor = 7.013622 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide & Armor Metagem)

Damage Reduction from Armor % = Armor * 100 / (Armor + (467.5 * AttackerLevel - 22167.5))

DR% for Lvl83 Boss mobs = Armor * 100 / (Armor + 16635)

Armor cap (75% DR) for Lvl83 Boss mobs = 49905 Armor

Obviously I don't play a druid much so I'm unable to comment much, but briefly...

1. does the bear form armor multiplier apply to cloaks?

I believe the answer is yes - but - the armor on the tanking cloak (Sentinels) is green, therefore it's not multiplied, I think? Or am I misunderstanding the rules?

[Sawbones]

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[Xillian]

went for the hybrid one...little less armor and stam but the crit and arm pen will help with threat and watch out in kitty!